I, for one question some of the points Shinsengumi has made.
While a set of rules for forum discussions are beneficial to the overall
quality, it inevitably fails at two key areas.
a) Participant Awareness / Power Retrain
- To this, I place blame partially on the guidelines. The guideline has been in
place for over a year now, yet the results are not there. Why? People either do
not read about them or forgot about them after a while. At first, my opinion
lies on the same block as those of Shinsengumi, blame it on an user's immaturity
or .... However, continuous violations have got
to make you wonder whether the system is at fault here. Is it possible
that members simply forgot about the rules? Are the rules too strict?
b) Leveraging Users - As Shinsengumi has
mentioned, members of the community come from different backgrounds and have
different talents. Leveraging all of them become a priority. A 11 year old might
have different interest than a 30 year old. Most of the moderators look through
the forums in a magnified glass, and declare one rule applies to everyone. Also,
we should not dust off someone posts are "falsely informed" or
"conspiracy theories", remember people can be easily influenced, and
we would most likely not require people to conduct extensive research before
making a post. Mistakes such as these can be forgiven. Again, witnessing the
popularity of "Whats your favorite carebear" thread is not entirely a
bad thing, it showcases the popularity of the thread (even though some of us do
not really care). You do not want to force those members to discuss something
which is out of their league, thus Shinsengumi, your "falsely
informed" quote.
Really, we are trapped in the loophole here. As I understand, we want to create
more threads condusive for discussion and eliminate those are not. Well the
elimination part is easy, but what about the discussion levels? The only viable
solution would be to recruit more members, and hopefully some of them will have
a knack for intelligence.
I think the guidelines need to be rewritten, most of the other forums on the
internet do not have peculiar rules as of those exist here and are able to
maintain a discussion level that is on par with MT.
Rules need not be strengthened, rather they should be relaxed. This would allow
members to post with more freedom, and be more creative. A comparison between a bowling ball and a bowl of
sashimi might not be interesting at first, but if someone is able to observe
creatively the correlation between the two and post on the thread, then it could
be fun. Again, if the topic is shut down, you would never find that
"Someone", and forever left you in a position to complain about the
members of the forum.
Hi, usually a thread which merely asks the user to compare between two
characters are not encouraged in Minitokyo as they do not induce meaningful
discussion
Quote by pepeoyou were saying something
about racism being a metal state of black/asian and other
minorities?
No, I am saying that racism is a perception people resort to when judging an
event.
In your example above, could it be that white grandma is talking to some other
person, or merely referring to his home. Your friend has this perception that
she is being a racist, why? Did the grandma tell her that she is in fact a
racist? Why assume that is the case?
The event you listed are distant past already. My uncle lives in Australia and
what do you think of that? Clearly it means that Australia is no longer
"white only"
I believe we should not overstep the boundary and rule prostitution illegal.
It is a source of income for numerous illegal immigrants and women who otherwise
would have no way of feeding themselves.
However, one thing they should realize is that they better not be falling in
love with it, because it is not a job you can hold long, once past 30, value
drops exponentially.
Quote by someweirdguyThose
scholarships you mentioned are aimed towards blacks because the majority of them
do not go to college. It's their way of providing incentives for people other
than whites to pursue higher learning, hence the scholarships for a specific
race or color.
Well, I am confused about what you are saying here. First of all, who is
"their", second of all, is it right?
If there could be a all-black dorm, why not an all-white dorm or an all Asian
one, considering the black population in my college is less than 10%, White and
Asians account for as much as 80%
I met caucasians come from different areas in US at my University, none of them
are racist.
Quote by HaoI wanted to know what do u think
about this, because this is really important; nowadays we are seeing more and
more natural disasters caused by the alteration of the climate and the
contamination, and people everyone is becoming more and more corrupt and water
is begining to lack... This is all our fault, so the question is:
Will we be responsible for our own destruction?
That is why we have to take out Saddam, god knows what he will do next
Quote by LigerAs a matter of fact, there
are many chat rooms that are "white only" Ares had such rooms, Yahoo
is another. Now that My Space.com and blogs has became so popular, I am sure
there are more pro-racism boards more than ever. There are people who are afraid
to speak on such matters publicly for fear of retaliation. What better way than
to use the internet to spread such ignorance today?
There are counterexamples as well, one difference being they do it in public,
instead of resorting to internet. You never see a scholarship that says
"white student only", but many that says "blacks only". Why
is that? Is it not racial preferences, and even more, public display of of
it.
In fact, my college, one of the IVY League schools, have a dorm that accepts
black/latino residence only. Is it segration, similar to the ones in the 50's.
So, is it qualified to say that administration is at fault here?
Hey, if I am turned down (I am asian) for a white person for the job, so what?
You are always going to think you are more qualified than others. Companies have
to choose between many qualified applicants. If the companies do not want you,
they would not even waste their time and money to fly you in and interview you.
Instead of looking for those reasons (like you mentioned) as to why they did not
get a job, maybe theyneed to realize that they have to do better during the
interviews (for example, enthusiasm, delinquincy, humbleness, professional),
etc.
Quote by bwebI have to say that reading the
responses to this thread, I've seen a lot of latent hostility to the African
American community, which I did not expect.
I do not think there is hostility in this thread.
Quote by bwebThere are members of the
African American community who will cry "racism" at the drop of a hat,
and this Congresswoman is one of them. Now, I don't believe that they speak for
the whole of the African American populace.
Pick up something from Jesse Jackson
Quote by bwebBut the sort of ire I've seen
lurking in the posts on this thread, it's ammunition for those activists. It
reaffirms their viewpoint that ALL of the caucasian community is
racist.
I am not caucasian, i am cauc asian, if you will
Quote by bwebThe opinions of those who
express such hostility are not the whole of the caucasian voice, but they are
held up to the African American community by certain biased individuals as
examples of the "racism" of the White
community.
I think you just explained my reasoning yourself, right? Nothing will get done
this way.
However, to answer your question. Racism is not real, it is more of a conception
or a belief that people held in their subconscious mind. I do not think you can
call "South was racist before civil war" because it was the common
practice there at that time.
Of course, to promote tensions among two groups of people, the easiest way would
be to depict some incident between them and portray it as a hate crime. People
being as helpless as they are, immediately buy into this concept. (Look at what
happened in Germany after Hitler took over). I wonder how much has people been
misled by the contemporary media on this issue? I cannot help but wonder. Of
course, that also explains the congresswoman incident you described
earlier
The real question is why do you never hear white people use race card? Why
everytime an altercation between black and white, do we assume somehow racism to
be a factor, or at least the blacks assume?
Clarence Thomas is someone I respect, in that he is logical, articulate and
sensible, not Jesse Jackson, who just recently blamed that Racism being the
factor in Barry Bond's steriods controversy, YEAH!
Quote by Light What are you exactly
implying? This statement clearly has racial overtones. Regardless what your
problem is, it is infallible to think that only Whites and Asians should stand
together because Blacks and Hispanic has something you do not. Everyone clearly
has an equal footing in life. Funny thing is Asians are part of the minority
also, right along with the Blacks and Hispanics. They too suffer some form of
prejudice in one form or another.
Sometimes, I wonder whether we (Asians) brought the notion of racism upon
ourselves. The best way to deal with it is to forget about it and work harder
than everyone else, instead of obsessing over such a small issue! Like many
asians have done.
Quote by LightIf you don't have what it
takes to "make the grade", improve on making yourself better, not try
to drag others into something you can't handle for
yourself.
Thanks, that is what I am saying too.
Quote by LightIt is so obvious that mankind
love to take two steps backwards in everything they do. You clearly show that in
your statements.
Well, it is taking two steps forward in creating a color blind society.
Quote by muyojoeMan I wish you hadn't
said that. Oh well, your call. I at least taught my boys not to ever use that
word. My mother always said: "Their is trash that is latin, black, white,
or whatever you color you choose. The worst one is white
trash."
That is exactly where the problem lies.
Quote by muyojoeDon't get me wrong, I'm
not calling you that. I'm just expressing my view, and yes I'm white. If we
would all focus on bringing the worst of our own up to standard, we would
probably all be better off.
No, that is fine. From what I can see, it is a unilateral effort by the white
people only without cooperation by the blacks and hispanics. They get a free
pass on these passes. My question is why?
I am Asian, I hate some of the things that are happening to Asian American right
now. Instead of working within the system to improve the status, they are being
manipulated by the mainstream media. One of the reasons that Asians are
successful are that they are able to work within the system and improve by
hardwork, instead of relying on federal help.
In conclusion, there will be isolated incidents here and there, but that does
not qualify the fact that racism does indeed exist.
Of course you know if that is the case, the other side do not have to abide by
the rules, their leaders will not be brought to the world court because it is
not applicable here, namely they are not a sovereignty nation.
I think we should use every means possible to extract the maximum value out of
the capturees. The reason being the rules established by Geneva Conventions do
not apply in this instances.
yah, it was more of a case of black people abusing their ... (u know
what)
In my college, there is a dorm that is dedicated to black people only, and the
reason for that "racial equality", how could that be so? This is more
of racial segragation
I call on White people and Asian people to stop refusing to give in to the likes
of blacks and hispanics.
Also, you need to know that you do not always do the same thing as you did in
College.
In the United States, at least, Engineers are in hot demand. A lot of firms hire
Engineers not because of their majors, but also the matter they have been
drilled for 4 years with creative problem solving skills. Industry desired for
that, business side can be easily tought to you, what is important is your
problem solving skills.
So, I have seen a lot of ChemE students working for WallStreet's top firms.
I think you have to be realistic about your goals.
To understand everyday communication in Japan, it requires at least 2 years of
committment, I think. Since you are already taking 2 language courses already, I
highly doubt your major would require you to take courses in 3 different
languages
Plus there is also the criteria of "talented students", typically that
calls for about like 5 to 10 students only. Do you consider yourself to be one
of them? Is your GPA good, what activities have you been involved in, etc.
There are couple of factors to weigh. The problem is not language, it is the
matter of fact of whether you would be considered due to academic requirements.
If you score top of the university class, then, shoot for it. However, always
have a backup plan if you are not chosen.
In nutshell, you need to lower your expectation. If you take Japanese just for a
chance of being there for a semester for exchange, then I will really doubt the
2 years or whatever efforts you put in into obtaining this brand new language
(Note: You comment on you have problem with non-Latin based letters, are you
fully prepared to be hammered by them, for two years?). You will most likely get
frustrated if the result turned out otherwise
Try taking Japanese from a perspective of interest only. I am currently taking
Japanese also, and I just take it for fun, and obtain a better understanding of
animes
Quote by EphixLife in prison would be the
equivilant of not allowing your friend to borrow your possessions anymore. This
way you won't lose another watch, and you friend won't have the benefit of
having a watch. The watch can be metaphorically related to the offenders
freedom.
Taxpayers money do not go towards keeping a guy who should have death penalty to
a life in prison, plus there is always the possiblity of a jail breakout.
On a whole, I would say I am not particular into neither. I watched them
all
Naruto has not been good ever since the end of Chuunin Exam arc, I gave up after
episode 100ish
Bleach was keen on me for a while (Soul Society Arc), but now it is just all
boring, dunno who made these fillers, I did not watch. Also, juding from the
Bleach manga, I can say I am not interested once they get back to the stories
also, so, bleach is dead for me as well.
I, for one question some of the points Shinsengumi has made.
While a set of rules for forum discussions are beneficial to the overall quality, it inevitably fails at two key areas.
a) Participant Awareness / Power Retrain - To this, I place blame partially on the guidelines. The guideline has been in place for over a year now, yet the results are not there. Why? People either do not read about them or forgot about them after a while. At first, my opinion lies on the same block as those of Shinsengumi, blame it on an user's immaturity or .... However, continuous violations have got to make you wonder whether the system is at fault here. Is it possible that members simply forgot about the rules? Are the rules too strict?
b) Leveraging Users - As Shinsengumi has mentioned, members of the community come from different backgrounds and have different talents. Leveraging all of them become a priority. A 11 year old might have different interest than a 30 year old. Most of the moderators look through the forums in a magnified glass, and declare one rule applies to everyone. Also, we should not dust off someone posts are "falsely informed" or "conspiracy theories", remember people can be easily influenced, and we would most likely not require people to conduct extensive research before making a post. Mistakes such as these can be forgiven. Again, witnessing the popularity of "Whats your favorite carebear" thread is not entirely a bad thing, it showcases the popularity of the thread (even though some of us do not really care). You do not want to force those members to discuss something which is out of their league, thus Shinsengumi, your "falsely informed" quote.
Really, we are trapped in the loophole here. As I understand, we want to create more threads condusive for discussion and eliminate those are not. Well the elimination part is easy, but what about the discussion levels? The only viable solution would be to recruit more members, and hopefully some of them will have a knack for intelligence.
I think the guidelines need to be rewritten, most of the other forums on the internet do not have peculiar rules as of those exist here and are able to maintain a discussion level that is on par with MT.
Rules need not be strengthened, rather they should be relaxed. This would allow members to post with more freedom, and be more creative. A comparison between a bowling ball and a bowl of sashimi might not be interesting at first, but if someone is able to observe creatively the correlation between the two and post on the thread, then it could be fun. Again, if the topic is shut down, you would never find that "Someone", and forever left you in a position to complain about the members of the forum.
I think a flag is a symbol of a nation, when you burn a flag, it means you are denoucing that nation.
Nope, rather than protesting, how about going back to school and become a lawmaker?
Protest are for people who have no other ways of expressing oneself, just shows how weak you are.
Hi, usually a thread which merely asks the user to compare between two characters are not encouraged in Minitokyo as they do not induce meaningful discussion
Please be aware of this in the future, thanks!
No, I am saying that racism is a perception people resort to when judging an event.
In your example above, could it be that white grandma is talking to some other person, or merely referring to his home. Your friend has this perception that she is being a racist, why? Did the grandma tell her that she is in fact a racist? Why assume that is the case?
The event you listed are distant past already. My uncle lives in Australia and what do you think of that? Clearly it means that Australia is no longer "white only"
I believe we should not overstep the boundary and rule prostitution illegal.
It is a source of income for numerous illegal immigrants and women who otherwise would have no way of feeding themselves.
However, one thing they should realize is that they better not be falling in love with it, because it is not a job you can hold long, once past 30, value drops exponentially.
Well, I am confused about what you are saying here. First of all, who is "their", second of all, is it right?
If there could be a all-black dorm, why not an all-white dorm or an all Asian one, considering the black population in my college is less than 10%, White and Asians account for as much as 80%
I met caucasians come from different areas in US at my University, none of them are racist.
That is why we have to take out Saddam, god knows what he will do next
according to ACLU, they should
There are counterexamples as well, one difference being they do it in public, instead of resorting to internet. You never see a scholarship that says "white student only", but many that says "blacks only". Why is that? Is it not racial preferences, and even more, public display of of it.
In fact, my college, one of the IVY League schools, have a dorm that accepts black/latino residence only. Is it segration, similar to the ones in the 50's. So, is it qualified to say that administration is at fault here?
Hey, if I am turned down (I am asian) for a white person for the job, so what? You are always going to think you are more qualified than others. Companies have to choose between many qualified applicants. If the companies do not want you, they would not even waste their time and money to fly you in and interview you. Instead of looking for those reasons (like you mentioned) as to why they did not get a job, maybe theyneed to realize that they have to do better during the interviews (for example, enthusiasm, delinquincy, humbleness, professional), etc.
I do not think there is hostility in this thread.
Pick up something from Jesse Jackson
I am not caucasian, i am cauc asian, if you will
I think you just explained my reasoning yourself, right? Nothing will get done this way.
However, to answer your question. Racism is not real, it is more of a conception or a belief that people held in their subconscious mind. I do not think you can call "South was racist before civil war" because it was the common practice there at that time.
Of course, to promote tensions among two groups of people, the easiest way would be to depict some incident between them and portray it as a hate crime. People being as helpless as they are, immediately buy into this concept. (Look at what happened in Germany after Hitler took over). I wonder how much has people been misled by the contemporary media on this issue? I cannot help but wonder. Of course, that also explains the congresswoman incident you described earlier
lol, the event which I assume you are referrring to, occured over 150 years ago
So, why is it still relevant?
Nah, tried on people are on very fun, I have seen couple of instances which they tried it on animals, lol, that is really funny
The real question is why do you never hear white people use race card? Why everytime an altercation between black and white, do we assume somehow racism to be a factor, or at least the blacks assume?
Clarence Thomas is someone I respect, in that he is logical, articulate and sensible, not Jesse Jackson, who just recently blamed that Racism being the factor in Barry Bond's steriods controversy, YEAH!
Sometimes, I wonder whether we (Asians) brought the notion of racism upon ourselves. The best way to deal with it is to forget about it and work harder than everyone else, instead of obsessing over such a small issue! Like many asians have done.
Thanks, that is what I am saying too.
Well, it is taking two steps forward in creating a color blind society.
That is exactly where the problem lies.
No, that is fine. From what I can see, it is a unilateral effort by the white people only without cooperation by the blacks and hispanics. They get a free pass on these passes. My question is why?
I am Asian, I hate some of the things that are happening to Asian American right now. Instead of working within the system to improve the status, they are being manipulated by the mainstream media. One of the reasons that Asians are successful are that they are able to work within the system and improve by hardwork, instead of relying on federal help.
In conclusion, there will be isolated incidents here and there, but that does not qualify the fact that racism does indeed exist.
We are not fighting an conventional enemy here
Of course you know if that is the case, the other side do not have to abide by the rules, their leaders will not be brought to the world court because it is not applicable here, namely they are not a sovereignty nation.
I think we should use every means possible to extract the maximum value out of the capturees. The reason being the rules established by Geneva Conventions do not apply in this instances.
haha, thats great, except Chris Rock failed to recognize that 95% of blacks are what he described "niggers"
yah, it was more of a case of black people abusing their ... (u know what)
In my college, there is a dorm that is dedicated to black people only, and the reason for that "racial equality", how could that be so? This is more of racial segragation
I call on White people and Asian people to stop refusing to give in to the likes of blacks and hispanics.
Also, you need to know that you do not always do the same thing as you did in College.
In the United States, at least, Engineers are in hot demand. A lot of firms hire Engineers not because of their majors, but also the matter they have been drilled for 4 years with creative problem solving skills. Industry desired for that, business side can be easily tought to you, what is important is your problem solving skills.
So, I have seen a lot of ChemE students working for WallStreet's top firms.
I think you have to be realistic about your goals.
To understand everyday communication in Japan, it requires at least 2 years of committment, I think. Since you are already taking 2 language courses already, I highly doubt your major would require you to take courses in 3 different languages
Plus there is also the criteria of "talented students", typically that calls for about like 5 to 10 students only. Do you consider yourself to be one of them? Is your GPA good, what activities have you been involved in, etc.
There are couple of factors to weigh. The problem is not language, it is the matter of fact of whether you would be considered due to academic requirements. If you score top of the university class, then, shoot for it. However, always have a backup plan if you are not chosen.
In nutshell, you need to lower your expectation. If you take Japanese just for a chance of being there for a semester for exchange, then I will really doubt the 2 years or whatever efforts you put in into obtaining this brand new language (Note: You comment on you have problem with non-Latin based letters, are you fully prepared to be hammered by them, for two years?). You will most likely get frustrated if the result turned out otherwise
Try taking Japanese from a perspective of interest only. I am currently taking Japanese also, and I just take it for fun, and obtain a better understanding of animes
Well, according to you, if they do not have a difference, why not execute them? That saves taxpayers money over the long run
Taxpayers money do not go towards keeping a guy who should have death penalty to a life in prison, plus there is always the possiblity of a jail breakout.
On a whole, I would say I am not particular into neither. I watched them all
Naruto has not been good ever since the end of Chuunin Exam arc, I gave up after episode 100ish
Bleach was keen on me for a while (Soul Society Arc), but now it is just all boring, dunno who made these fillers, I did not watch. Also, juding from the Bleach manga, I can say I am not interested once they get back to the stories also, so, bleach is dead for me as well.